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Alt-IndyCar Planning Sandbox

Basically, when we get there I think that Alt-IndyCar essentially needs a hard reset as well as several key plot points to aim for on our way. So I'm just going to do a bunch of planning here and we'll see how it shapes up.

Timeline

Timeline of American Open Wheel Championships
Championship Name 1905- 1910s 1920s 1930s 1940s 1950s 1960s 1970s 1980s 1990s 2000s 2010s 2020s
AAA National Championship   unofficial   WWI   WWII    
USAC National Championship        
Marlboro Championship Trail      
Championship Racing League      
IndyCar
World Series
    In 1996, ICWS is bought out by Tony George and Indy Motor Speedway Ataxia's series, 2019-present
IndyCar
Euro Series
     
The golden bar pertains specifically to who sanctions the Indianapolis 500 race. USAC continues to sanction it until 1994, at which point the Indianapolis Motor Speedway (and new CEO Tony George) buys back the hosting rights. They then also buy out the IndyCar World Series in 1996. The blue bar refers to the World Championship, the one-off race at Walt Disney World Speedway that carries the season's second-biggest purse.

Timeline Changes

  • Prior to 1970, nothing needs to change.
  • In 1970, Marlboro come in with title sponsorship for the Marlboro Championship Trail. Rather than dropping the ball like in real life, the series capitalises upon the deal, becoming the Marlboro Championship Racing League in 1974.
  • From 1981, the series changes its identity again, becoming the IndyCar World Series. This remains its identity into the present day, unless it regresses far enough that it doesn't have any races outside of North America - in which case it becomes simply the IndyCar Series like in real life.
  • The IndyCar Euro Series is a short-lived reaction to the catastrophe in the 2004 F1 season, where they take advantage of F1's inability to host these races to form an ad-hoc European championship. The IndyCar World Championship was also established in this year: a season-ending race to crown the "World Champion" of oval racing. The race is held at the Walt Disney World Speedway, and has a sponsorship arrangement with Disney to promote whatever film they're pushing as a Christmas blockbuster.

Railroading

Certain plot-points will have to be railroaded into Alt-Indy, usually due to events already established and referred to in Alternate Formula One, but also sometimes the events of the seminal work of art Driven. Here shall be a list of all such things: This list is incomplete, you can help by expanding it!

  • Beau Brandenburg's career in IndyCar should align with what is established in Driven. This will also include the to-be-established careers of Jimmy Bly, Joe Tanto, Memo Moreno and Carl Henry. All real-life drivers who made cameos in the film must also appear in the 2000 Alt-IndyCar season.
  • Ayrton Senna fails to qualify for the 1995 Indianapolis 500.
  • Certain drivers who appear in Formula One are established to have previously had a successful IndyCar career, including (but not limited to) Mario Andretti, Tom Sneva, Sébastien Bourdais, Jacques Villeneuve and others.
  • Other drivers are established to have moved from Formula One to IndyCar. This includes (but is not limited to) Ayrton Senna.

Notable Drivers

This list is obviously incomplete

Name Nat Possible Span Notes
Mario Andretti Flag of the United States svg.png American 1964 1975 He is in F1 by 1976; presumably on the back of strong results.
Tom Sneva Flag of the United States svg.png American 1970
1979
1976
1987
Does well enough to get nabbed by McLaren in mid-1976; has to do well enough before then.
Jody Scheckter Flag of South Africa 1928-1994 svg.png South African 1973
1980
1974
1981
Scheckter arrived in F1 on the back of his results in America. After leaving F1, he tries for a couple of Indy 500s before retiring.
Danny Ongais Flag of the United States svg.png American 1976
1980
1996
1977
1987
1998
Drives in Indy either side of his F1 career; also a possible carney comeback in his older years.
Bill Whittington
Don Whittington
Flag of the United States svg.png American 1979 1985 You can't beat a good drug-running arc, can you?
Bobby Rahal Flag of the United States svg.png American 1979 1998 Immediately scrubs out of F1, heads off to IndyCar. Becomes successful.
Roberto Horford Flag of Italy svg.png Italian 197X 1986 Previously established, father of Anita Horford; dies at Indy 500 in 1986; possibly interrupted by F1 stint
Thomas Nurmester Flag of the United Kingdom svg.png British 1980 1985 After flaming out of F1 after his one with the racing gods, goes to chase racing greatness elsewhere.
Ronald Tenpecost Flag of the United States svg.png American 1980 1989 Starts his career with a one-off attempt at the Indy 500; by '89 he's scrabbling around for odd drives.
Arie Luyendyk Flag of the Netherlands svg.png Dutch 1980
199?
1991
1999
Definitely still a major figure in IndyCars when he's not in F1.
Emerson Fittipaldi Flag of Brazil svg.png Brazilian 1980 1996 Is part of the high-profile exodus of F1 drivers at the end of 1979.
Héctor Rebaque Flag of Mexico svg.png Mexican 1981 1983 Post-F1, he has a brief Indy career (but refuses to race on ovals).
Brendon Cassidy Flag of the United States svg.png American 1982
1993
1985
2001
Arrives in F1 off the back of a 1984 or 1985 IndyCar title; returns after his F1 career is done.
Carl Henry Flag of the United States svg.png American 1982 1988 His career was closely tied to Tanto's until he suffered a career-ending accident. Becomes a team boss.
Joe Tanto Flag of the United States svg.png American 1982
2000
1995
2000
A veteran champion who is called out of retirement for the 2000 season. Used Danny Sullivan as a template.
Silvio Bachot Flag of Belgium svg.png Belgian 198? 1989 Indy 500 cameos perhaps?
Michael Tyrrell Flag of Antigua and Barbuda svg.png Antiguan 1984 198? Michael Tyrrell seems like the natural successor to the Whittington Brothers. Perhaps he specialises in Florida races.
Willy T. Ribbs Flag of the United States svg.png American 1984 1999 Never needs to go to NASCAR because IndyCar sees what he can offer them.
Leonhard von Gottorp Flag of Germany svg.png German 1992 1994 Leonhard von Gottorp has driven everything. IndyCars should not be an exception. In previously established events, he went to America after he was done with LifeGP
Eddie Cheever Flag of the United States svg.png American TBC 2002 Joins after his F1 career hits a dead end. There's also the possibility of a carney comeback c. 2006 as owner-driver.
Roberto Moreno Flag of Brazil svg.png Brazilian 1985 2007 IndyCar is the perfect place for him whenever he's not driving F1 shitboxes.
Marky Howard Flag of the United States svg.png American 1986 1990 A really low-tier pay-driver. Doesn't hang around long at all though.
Davy Jones Flag of the United States svg.png American 1987
1991
1993
2002
Competes in IndyCar either side of his brief F1 career with Team Oreca.
Memo Moreno Flag of Mexico svg.png Mexican 1988 2000 Is benched for Joe Tanto in 2000; finds another drive and suffers a career-ending accident.
Paul Tracy Flag of Canada svg.png Canadian 1991 1992 Has to be DSQed from an Indy 500 win.
Nigel Mansell Flag of the United Kingdom svg.png British 1991 1994 Bails on F1 to give IndyCars a shot. Wins a Championship.
Ayrton Senna Flag of Brazil svg.png Brazilian 1992 2003 Signs with Penske in 1992; DNQs for the Indy 500 in 1995.
Jeff Gordon Flag of the United States svg.png American 1992 2017 In real life, only NASCAR teams were prepared to pay him. In a stronger IndyCar, would that be the case?
Jacques Villeneuve Flag of Canada svg.png Canada 1994
2002
2008
2011
1995/6
2003
2009
2012
Earns his Williams seat by becoming Champion in either 95 or 96; keeps returning for little stints to see if he can do it again.
Mike Boullier Flag of France svg.png French 1994 1999 The most important man in canon has to attempt at least one Indy 500.
Kazuki Fushida Flag of Japan svg.png Japanese 1994 200? Honda's chosen driver for their 1994 push into IndyCar - ends up having a long and prosperous career as a result.
Eliseo Salazar Flag of Chile svg.png Chilean 1995 2002 Absolute legend, most definitely has to appear here.
Beau Brandenburg Flag of Germany svg.png German 1995 200? Ends up as the 1999 Champion at Newman-Haas; 2000 runner-up.
Tony Stewart Flag of the United States svg.png American 1996 2016 With a much stronger IndyCar, there's no need for him to go to NASCAR to achieve his dreams.
Christian Fittipaldi Flag of Brazil svg.png Brazilian 199? 2004 Goes to IndyCar after a solid F1 career; never bothers with NASCAR.
Vic Sunset Flag of the United States svg.png American 1997 200? Classic IndyCar lower-midfield scrub.
Neil McEwan Flag of the United Kingdom svg.png British 1998
2004
2001
2005
Makes a few appearances after his F1 career; returns for the Euro Series while that exists.
Sarah Fisher Flag of the United States svg.png American 1999 2010 Briefly gets called up by Prost in 2002, but is an Indy racer through and through.
Jimmy Bly Flag of the United States svg.png American 2000 201? Becomes a Champion in his rookie year; what a driver.
Dario Franchitti Flag of the United Kingdom svg.png British 2001 2013 Absolute legend, gets signed to Team Green as a rookie.
Helio Castroneves Flag of Brazil svg.png Brazilian 2001 2017 Obvious Indy legend. OP at the Brickyard.
Tomas Scheckter Flag of South Africa svg.png South African 2002 2011 Finishes his career mostly as a part-timer, but coulda been a contenda.
Daniel Moreno Flag of Canada svg.png Canadian 2003 2005 Very part-time schedule - his heart's not in it by this point at all.
Jack Christopherson Flag of the United Kingdom svg.png British 2003 2016 Another driver who joined IndyCar on the back of a decent Formula One career.
Sébastien Bourdais Flag of France svg.png French 2004
2013
2019
2007
2014
2019
Initially joins Euro Series in 2004. Honestly, Bourdais flip-flopping to and from IndyCar will be a meme.
Justin Wilson Flag of the United Kingdom svg.png British 2004 201? Is out of a drive in F1, works his way up the grid across his Indy career.
Dave Simpson Flag of Australia svg.png Australian 2005 2005 A short stint that started with a one-off drive in his home race. Ends with F1 call-up.
Ralf Alden Flag of the United States svg.png American 2006 2010 Road course specialist pay driver who later turns his attention to a backmarker F1 team.
John Bovy Flag of Grenada svg.png Grenadan 2007 2008 Hugely competitive rookie year, backed up with a decent second season to break into Formula One.
"T. Hemo Goblin" Flag of the United States svg.png American 200? 201? Two DNQs for the Indy 500, never heard of again.
Ashley Cassidy Flag of the United States svg.png American 2011 present Daughter of Brendon Cassidy; she's the new Danica Patrick I guess.
Daniel Melrose Flag of Australia svg.png Australian 2015 2016 A short IndyCar stint.
Robert Wickens Flag of Canada svg.png Canadian 2016 present Makes a real career out of IndyCar after washing out of the Formula 1 paddock.
Romain Grosjean Flag of France svg.png French 2020 present Finishes with Formula One and heads to IndyCar to turn Rick Ware Racing into a force for good in the world.
Daniel Ricciardo Flag of Australia svg.png Australian 2020 present Daniel Ricciardo takes on the world.

Still *very* incomplete, especially with the likes of Josef Newgarden, J.R. Hildebrand and Conor Daly all making F1 cameos that will most definitely affect their IndyCar availability.